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I'm worried. I'm starting to have respect for some of my government. I hadn't realised how many Catholics there were in the upper echelons of Canadian politics.
Does this seem like a bad idea do anyone else?

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[neeuqdrazil.livejournal.com]

I think kalivor made his point, though - the negative ramifications are that by removing the victim, it's teaching the bully that their behaviour is okay.

No, I don't think that the kids who are at the school should have to put up with the shit that they would have to put up with in a 'regular' school. But I don't think that removing the victim without some sort of ramification for the bully. And there very well may be, but the end result is the same.

And I don't think that it's the school's intention to shelter these kids forever. Obviously, they care a lot, and are providing a hugely needed service - there was/is a program similar in intent run out of the high school that kalivor and I went to, for street kids and kids who had been expelled - StreetSmart, or StreetWise, or something - I can't remember the name of it. It was a storefront downtown, nowhere near the school, and they were providing a service that was hugely needed.

I don't know. I think that the school is needed, but with the publicity it's getting right now, without the concurrent focus on what is being done with the bullies, it could go downhill really quickly.

[eternaleponine.livejournal.com]

I doubt the school asked for the publicity.

And the fact of the matter is, some schools don't do anything with the bullies. They don't care enough. So remove the victim before it's a victim of homicide or suicide, rather than just harassment.

Maybe I'm biased. Hell, I know I am. I'm going to grad school to get a Masters in Social Work to work at someplace like Hetrick-Martin. So I'm not moving on my point.

[neeuqdrazil.livejournal.com]

No, I agree, likely the school didn't ask for the publicity.

That some schools don't do anything about the bullies is precisely my point - they should. While they don't, yes, remove the victim. But at the same time, enforce (at the school board level, at the very least) policies to punish bullying and the like, so that it doesn't remain an accepted behaviour.

What this says to me is that there is a systemic problem that just removing the kids from the system isn't going to help.

[eternaleponine.livejournal.com]

What this says to me is that there is a systemic problem that just removing the kids from the system isn't going to help.

To be blunt, "No shit, Sherlock."

And of course they should do something about the bullies, and most schools probably are. However, nothing is foolproof, and nothing is immediate. So while other groups, GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network), for example, work for systemic change, Hetrick-Martin saves the kids who are falling through the cracks of the systems in flux.

One cannot look at one article and judge the problem/solution from there. Nothing occurs in a vacuum.